Posts by Juan Viejo2

I'm going this year, just for the hell of it. My wife has been out of town for several weeks taking care of personal business - so no naughty-naughty for me. So if I go to a KH tomorrow night and act all impressed and shit, maybe I will be.......................(wait for it!)

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Love Bombed!!!!!

I'll let you all know if I get any tingles or hot flashes.

JV

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How many received the memorial invitation?

by IMHO in

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how well is this territory being covered?.

how many on here (active jws excluded) received an invitation?.

Juan Viejo2

I actually got two and then another. I've decided to actually attend a Memorial this year just for the hell of it. Last one I went to was circa 1963. Might be fun to actually be inside a KH. I'm going to try and tape the whole thing - and if anything exciting happens (yeah, right!) I will be happy to share it with all of you. Maybe make a YouTube vid out of it. We'll see.

A building contractor working on my house brought me one that he got (he knows I'm an apostate). At that point I hadn't got mine. A few days later, I saw about six or eight JWs in the neighborhood. It was like Halloween. Two adults were walking down the sidewalk and then giving a child JW a stack of invites to put on the doorsteps. Well known as "The Apostate in the Neighborhood," I did not expect to get one, but sure enough, a little boy about 8 years old (wearing a shirt and tie under his all-weather jacket, ran up to my door and put one under the edge of the doormat. I watched him run down my walkway and almost take a header when he slipped in a mossy puddle of water. Great - I'd be sued by the very people invading my space.

I got the third invite when I was going to the local drive-in pharmacy. This young fellow (about 16-17) stepped in between the wall and my car window. Damn near scared the wee-wee out of me. Never had that happen before. My attention was on the bullet-proof service window, not on my rear view mirror, and there he was - just there - and then gone in a flash.

So I have three invitations, one for each of three different KHs. I know which one covers my neighborhood, and I am well-known to them. So I think I will go to another one that is about 6 miles away in the far distant corner of town.

Anyone else here on JWN who is not an active or fading JW that is going?

Did everyone notice that the invitation also includes an invitation to a May 1 public talk? Oh yeah, let's hear how principles used by ancient camel drivers can solve the problems of our modern age. Let's stone our daughters for getting raped, commit holocausts on everyone who does not believe as we do, and stop eating lobster.

I don't think so...

JV

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APOSTATES-yes another thread about 6/15 WT

by darth frosty in

talking to blackman about the article and was thinking...didn't the whole apostate thing first start getting recognition in the 70's?.

i seem to remeber a thread saying that apostates were a contrivence enforced in the 70's to combat the 1975 fiasco.. could someone research the amount of times apostacy is used before the 70's compared to how much they used or warned against it after the 70's..

Juan Viejo2

Len,

You are right. The WT usually used "evil slave" to describe anyone, both in or out of the Witnesses, that was an opposer.

They did use the term "apostate," but rarely in print. It was usually mentioned in talks or in service meetings. The only "apostate" that I remember being so branded back in the 1950-60 time period was William Schnell who wrote "Thirty Years a Watchtower Slave." He was always referred to that way.

Another group that was often referred to as "apostates" were the original Bible Student breakaway cult and the Russellites, those that left during the Rutherford schism. They were referred to as being part of the evil slave class during the schism and up to 1920, but after that were referred to as "apostate members of the Bible Students."

It was clearly in the early 80s, after the Ray Franz debacle, that thinking people like you and me were branded as apostates - a description that I gladly glory in.

Juan V iejo el apóstata

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Our History -- BIG ANNOUNCEMENT!

by muzzy in

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memorial is here, and it is the perfect time for me to make my big announcement.

i want this community to be the first to know.. i have finished writing my novel!

angels and women is the story of judge rutherford and the early history of the watchtower.

Juan Viejo2

Expanded - I ran into the same problems.

Michael - You have a PM. If you need help with your WordPress site, email me and I will be happy to help you. I am a pseudo, semi-qualified, demi-expert in WP.

JV

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All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.

by koolaid-man in

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this highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.

concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.

barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.

Juan Viejo2

Did Rick ever make his trip down to Brooklyn to meet with J the B? He was supposed to meet J the B outside of the WT buildings and maybe take him to lunch or for a long walk. Does anyone know if that ever happened?

I listen in to Rick's show every so often, but I find in very exhausting and somewhat out of control. There is a lot of preaching between the regulars - and there is a distinct evangelical flavor to the way the conversations are managed.

Yes, you all have good points and well-deserved criticisms of Rick's conference calls, but I still believe his heart is in the right place and his intent has always been to try and keep both openly anti-JWs and cautious insiders informed and connected.

Rick's conference calls are really directed to a specific audience - while open to all listeners. I can tell he wants to open the program up to a wider field of contributors, but fear or shyness on the part of those who are not a part of his small group of insiders clearly frustrates him.

JV

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Dude...Memorial on Sunday? and the Battle for sd-7 Continues

by sd-7 in

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i've gotten past much of my grieving over the whole marriage-destruction thing, largely by drowning out reality.

i've been even more of a movie-head than usual--and that's saying an awful lot.

also, the quality of my meals has gone down considerably.

Juan Viejo2

Any chance they'll be serving a fine Pinot Noir or a cabernet? If so, I might decide to go check it out this year.

When I was a kid they would serve Mogen David (kosher, of course). But I heard that some KHs would just get a bottle of red table wine. I remember that whatever they served smelled heavy and ghastly, at least to a 10-12 year old. They'd always buy about three bottles for the memorial, but only a half-dozen would partake. I wonder why they bought so much?

JV

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Finished Mystery (1917)... The book that Jesus approved...

by Alfred in

so a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of finished mystery which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download... the actual book).

i must say, this was the most disturbing book i have ever had the displeasure of reading.

but i only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when jesus supposedly chose the watchtower in 1918 and i basically wanted to see for myself what jesus saw in the wt that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.. anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points i put together from some of the notes i took as i read the book:.

Juan Viejo2

For anyone interested, here is Alfred's post with some additional information and links.

http://ex-jw.com/the-finished-mystery-the-book-jesus-approved

Thanks, Alfred, for sharing it...

JV

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If you had the choice to name yourself, what names would you choose for first name and last name?

by Iamallcool in

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be creative.

have some fun.

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Juan Viejo2

Denise Viejo

JV

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Menlo Park Kingdom Hall 3

by Juan Viejo2 in

for those of you that have been following the ongoing story of the forced take over of the menlo park, california kingdom hall, please go to:.

http://ex-jw.com/fear-and-loathing-in-menlo-park.

i'm sorry, the article is still a little rough and still needs a lot of editing, but i wanted to get it up by today at the latest.

Juan Viejo2

In case anyone is still following this story, there are some updates posted at Ex-JW.com. There is a lot more to come in the weeks ahead.

I urge anyone who reads this website and lives in the Menlo Park, Palo Alto, or Redwood City (CA) areas, to please contact me through that website. I urge anyone with additional information or insight to share their knowledge with me so that I can round out the story and fill in some of the gaps. I see a lot of hits to the website coming in from the SF south bay area, so I know that there are more of you out there following this story.

JV